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Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Dizeezer Velar on 23/09/2008 18:13:22 Originally by: Sir Substance yes, because its totally my fault when i get attacked by a fleet of HAC's and my guys are still mostly in cruisers. i can see how that is totally my fault. my bad, i hereby apologize for not knowing how to hack the eve database and instantly promote my guys to an even footing with a bunch of people who have been training combat skills for two years. get a grip. what people use the empire war dec for these days is no different then a 30 year old challenging a 3 year old to a boxing match. gee, no idea how thats gonna turn out. Actually, it is 100% your fault. It's your fault for piling your corp full of unskilled new players who can't compete. If a company IRL did that then they would fall to a competitor that had good employees. Same as in EvE. The current wardec system does not need a rework. If you do, you are shifting the game away from an unrestricted capitalistic society.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:15:00 - [2] Originally by: Padanemi Give some power to the aggressed. Any power whatsoever. No. The aggressed should have already been prepared for war. Hence they are on equal footing already. If they aren't they are weak and deserve to fold/disband.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.09.23 18:20:00 - [3] Edited by: Dizeezer Velar on 23/09/2008 18:24:06 Originally by: Corine Adonya Edited by: Corine Adonya on 11/07/2008 17:58:07 Originally by: Esmenet Edited by: Esmenet on 28/05/2008 10:53:53 The only "griefer" in that situation is the crap CEO that isnt prepared for a wardec. The word griefer has no place in EVE though. So how does the CEO of a corp with members skilled in industry, not combat, prepare for a war dec? "ok mates, lets all blind these guys with our mining lasers!" oh yeah! Thats exactly why you, no skill pvp pilots in empire, declare war, for the easy targets. If you had pvp skill, you would be in 0.0 Simple, you prepare for all possibilities. You have a pvp/combat wing in your corp and don't focus 100% on mining and industry. If you do focus entirely on industry, then suffer the consequences. It's nonsense that you are defenceless. You only need to recruit players who can fulfil a combat role.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2009.05.20 18:11:00 - [4] If people with no skill formed a corporation in real life, they would be demolished by their competition. Its no different in eve. If you want to compete, be in a diversified corp or face getting shut down, no corp full of noobs only should ever feel like they have a right to exist.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2009.05.20 18:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Dizeezer Velar If people with no skill formed a corporation in real life, they would be demolished by their competition. Its no different in eve. If you want to compete, be in a diversified corp or face getting shut down, no corp full of noobs only should ever feel like they have a right to exist. People who have no skill who form corporations in real life tend to succeed because they have the right to exist and give it a good shot... people in real life don't declare war and shoot people in the heads or mow down there resources. Comparing real life to EVE Online makes one look like a jackass. EVE is not 100% PVP.... nor is it 100% "Carebear/Hello Kitty"... get it through your thick skulls people. Wow, you are a moron. No kidding it's not exactly the same, RL and EVE have different mechanics. We aren't flying spaceships IRL. The outcome is the same however, an inexperienced corp full of inexperienced people won't fare well IRL nor should it in EVE.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2009.05.20 20:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Dizeezer Velar Edited by: Dizeezer Velar on 20/05/2009 18:20:23 Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Dizeezer Velar If people with no skill formed a corporation in real life, they would be demolished by their competition. Its no different in eve. If you want to compete, be in a diversified corp or face getting shut down, no corp full of noobs only should ever feel like they have a right to exist. People who have no skill who form corporations in real life tend to succeed because they have the right to exist and give it a good shot... people in real life don't declare war and shoot people in the heads or mow down there resources. Comparing real life to EVE Online makes one look like a jackass. EVE is not 100% PVP.... nor is it 100% "Carebear/Hello Kitty"... get it through your thick skulls people. Wow, you are a moron. No kidding it's not exactly the same, RL and EVE have different mechanics. We aren't flying spaceships IRL. The outcome is the same however, an inexperienced corp full of inexperienced people won't fare well IRL nor should it in EVE. If you hire the right people and diversify then you'll fare better IRL and in EVE. Once again your comparing EVE to real life... stop being a hypocritical contradiction of terms and come back down to earth eh? My point is made and it's valid. Your choice to live in denial is your own.
Dizeezer Velar Caldari League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2009.05.20 21:39:00 - [7] Edited by: Dizeezer Velar on 20/05/2009 21:46:27 Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 20/05/2009 20:48:27 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 20/05/2009 20:46:36 Your point is hypocritical and refuses to accept the fact that its not as cut and dry as you think it is. So get your PVP centric thumb out of your ass and join the discussion constructively or kindly take a hike. A balance must be struck... telling everyone to adapt or die in this context is like saying you don't give a rats ass about whatever anyone else thinks and you want to force the issue. Dig a little deeper than what you see on the surface and you just might find out why I refuse to take EITHER side in this little debate. I do not favor the war-dec system as it is in its current state... nor do I favor nerfing it either. It is too easy to start a war-dec let alone pay for one. It's way to easy to abuse it and use it as a pay to grief tool. There is potentially no end to a war-dec for so long as you have any amount of ISK to be spent. No one really makes any money in a war-dec which is why a large number of industrialist and carebears don't particllary like it. It has nothing to do with skill This is the classic case of playground bully versus the little guys.... or whomever the bully would want to kick around. Breaking apart upstart corps forces them to NPC Alts.... and alts upon alts upon alts. Station games...abuse of neutral remote repping, abuse of undock redock....abuse of stargate hopping. War-decs favor those who wish to win and will not accept losses or any particular lack of kill mails. War-decs only end when you get bored or run out of money.... that said... lets see you come up with a solution as opposed to telling people to adapt or die Mr. holier than thou. Nothing is wrong with the wardec system. You play a game with non consensual PVP. If you would have read a little about the game before you joined, you would have realized that and wouldn't be complaining here. Everyone was once a noob, I didn't complain about wardecs then and I don't complain now. Once again, if you fly in an unorganized corp full of newbs with no experience, you choose to sleep in the bed you made. When I started eve more than 3 years ago, I was a member of a failing noob alliance who got destroyed by Triumvirate. They caused the destruction of the alliance and it was beautiful. It made me fully appreciate the benefit of being organized and inspired me to be better at this game. The only problem I have is with whiners who ruin perfectly fine game mechanics.

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